But is it a little bit of a trap, I wonder, if Donald Trump hangs out there, gives the other candidates time to develop over the course of this summer fling? STEPHANOPOULOS: Good morning and welcome to "This Week."

Senator McCain has said, and we heard Senator Udall as well, that maybe there should be a public hearing on this program and the range of the programs that are surveilling, that includes some surveillance of some data from Americans.

KARL: And Ohio Governor John Kasich, who portrayed himself as an experienced, optimistic alternative to Trump.

No name, no content. PAUL: I am appalled. • Funnies, a few highlights from the late-night talk shows, usually political in nature. ", Do you have a problem with conservatives because of your support for expanding Medicaid, Common Core, openness to have --. Now, when I say that about a man, it's very sad. And, Matt, I'm thinking, so many people tuned in to that, Donald Trump, every headline since the debate. ROGERS: You know, George, one of the things that we're charged with is keeping America safe and keeping our civil liberties and privacy intact. Our roundtable breaks down the big debate. And when we go to a debate, quite frankly -- and I heard your panel say that there wasn't a lot of substance.

Now, I take it there could be some semantic word games being played here. Rick Perry joins us now, former governor of Texas, also a presidential candidate. Fact-checking Trump and Biden during 1st 2020 presidential debate, Moderators announced for 2020 presidential debates, Hunter Biden tackles cocaine use and alleged business conflicts in magazine interview, The real estate mogul is interviewed on "This Week. DOWD: The money -- OK, I'm going to speak a little heresy to all of you -- money is not going to matter in this race, right. The recidivism rate is 10 percent in Ohio. TRUMP: I say that with great respect. And what Donald Trump said about him and others who have served our country so nobly was really offensive to me. And one of it was by the fact that these business records, the phone billing information, is destroyed by these companies. So, I'm going to be very strong when it comes -- and I'm going to speak out loudly when anyone offends those men and women who are doing everything that they can to keep us free in this country. STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me bring that to Congressman Rogers, because you also said you believe these programs are effective, Mr. Chairman. And I want to show you where he was actually talked down by members of the Black Lives Matter protests. FAGEN: But he was strong.

And remember, all of these programs, this is really important, George, I mean, really important. I know your reported that you interviewed, Greenwald, says that he's got it all and now is an expert on the program. And it certainly isn't rare. Here is Mark Udall on the Senate floor more than two years ago.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You're nodding your head, Sara. I don't think that performance was good enough. Some of his opponents are now turning up the heat. That is his suspicion, at least. On that stage and said a traditional value of Republicans or people should be --.